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Outfitter  Popular! (More than 5000 hits)

Version: 5.20.3
by: mundocani [More]

About Outfitter

Outfitter is an equipment management addon which gives you fast access to multiple outfits to optimize your abilities in PvE and PvP, automated equip and unequip for convenience doing a variety of activities, or to enhance role-playing.

Outfitter includes an icon bar for fast access to your outfits, a minimap menu for fast compact access, support for LibDataBroker, scripting with a library of pre-made scripts for most common tasks, outfits optimized for a particular stat, item comparisons across outfits, quick access to items via the character sheet, and more.

Version 5.20.3 changes

* FIXED: Prevented more custom events from being registered with the system

Version 5.20.2 changes

* FIXED: Storing outfits on the server no longer gives an error

Version 5.20.1 changes

* FIXED: Outfitter's custom event types should longer give errors about being unknown

Version 5.20 changes

* FEATURE: Updated for patch 8.0
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Unread 11-22-08, 10:26 AM  
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Re: can not get rid of old version

If you're running Vista or using an automatic updater there may be issues related to Blizzard changing the location of the Interface/Addons folder. Please see the WoW UI & Macros forum for help on how to resolve this.

Originally posted by Getuit
I deleted the old version of outfitter then downloaded the lasted version, however when I go to my character screen to change a few pieces of equipment and weapons, the version shows its still 4.2.1.. I have unsuccessfully tried now several times to delete and place the lasted version into the wow/interface/addon but can not get rid of 4.2.1. It actually doesnt even show in my downloads and the version showing is the latest one. Any help would be appreicated thanks
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So um... what happened to native FuBar Support? Had it in the last version, and then it went away seemingly in this one.

:/
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Jeez, read the release notes already, they're only like 3 comments below yours:

- FEATURE: Removed Titan and FuBar built-in support in favor of LibDataBroker, which can be used with either of those already

You can also just go back to using the stand-alone OutfitterFu if you want. I can't make it work gracefully for all three and the reason I was willing to roll in Fubar support was that I thought I could just depend on the libraries Fubar was already loading. That wasn't the case and I would've had to include a bunch of Ace libraries with Outfitter which I decided wasn't worth it. LibDataBroker is very lightweight to support and there are adapters to use LDB-based addons with Fubar.

Originally posted by SkunkWerks
So um... what happened to native FuBar Support? Had it in the last version, and then it went away seemingly in this one.

:/
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Meh, I like FuBar fine. Honestly whoever wrote LDB didn't write it for the layman (when I actually got curious about LDB- since it seemed to be the latest thing, it took me forever interrogating WoWI, Curse, and WoWUI just to try to find the core addon :P). I like options, mind you, but I'm no coder- and options I can't comprehend may as well not be options at all. Back to OutfitterFu then. I'd have added that it could have used some hook to call Outfitter similar to what the FuBar module is, but you seem rather upset with it all already and it seems a moot point in any case.

Thanks for answering the question though. No need to get cranky. I just prefer speaking to people rather than release notes (who, incidentally, aren't people).

The removal seemed rather sudden. So did the inclusion, for that matter.
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If you had given any indication that you'd read the release notes then I wouldn't point you to them. They aren't a person, but they were written by a person (me) to answer those sorts of questions. Your question implied you hadn't even bothered reading them. If I think you can't be bothered reading the notes I write or the questions others have asked and had answered, what makes you think I should bother taking time to deal with you? You don't pay me, nobody does, yet I take time to make this stuff work and answer questions on it. I have every right to get cranky with lazy people who treat me like their personal assistant.

Fubar support was too much extra stuff in order to make it work properly. I didn't want to embed half a dozen Ace libraries just to add something that many wouldn't even be using, especially myself. The Fubar support had issues and I didn't care to spend more time resolving them. Many Fubar users asked me just to support LDB. I don't use Fubar or Titan and I don't really care at all about it, I was just trying to help out those who do.

I have no idea what you mean about adding a hook, because OutfitterFu *does* use hooks I added to Outfitter specifically for addons like it. I even answered questions for the guy who wrote it in the first place to help get it all working. With Outfitter 4 though I restructured those hooks to be more performance-friendly with WoW but I maintained the old hooks so plugins like OutfitterFu wouldn't break. Eventually I'll remove those old hooks and OutfitterFu will either break or it will get updated. If it breaks, there's still LDB, if it gets updated then wonderful -- you won't have to use LDB.
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Originally posted by mundocani
If you had given any indication that you'd read the release notes then I wouldn't point you to them. They aren't a person, but they were written by a person (me) to answer those sorts of questions. Your question implied you hadn't even bothered reading them. If I think you can't be bothered reading the notes I write or the questions others have asked and had answered, what makes you think I should bother taking time to deal with you?
Nothing at all. I choose whether to ask. You choose whether (and how) to answer.

If answering questions from people phrased in this fashion is such a tremendous grief to you, then don't answer. I can't be responsible for the personal grief you feel at poor decision making. If you're right, and the release notes would have leapt up to answer all my ~ahem~ question, then there'd be no need to answer in the first place- and I'd have found my answer eventually, wouldn't I?

Yes, I didn't read them. Perhaps one of the few times I've failed to. I asked a conversational question and what I get in return is a load of self-righteous soapbox twaddle. What's more, it's a first from you in all the time I've been following and asking questions about your project- at least a year.

Are you having a bad day perhaps? Well then, I offer you my most stringent assurance that I had no part in it.


As for the rest, well, if you don't want to support FuBar, don't. But I use it, and Outfitter, and I'm certain I'm far from the only one. I get the impression that this "miraculous" LDB somehow is inter-compatible with FuBar but I've yet to see any benefit out of it. So I guess if it breaks I'll eventually be calling it from the character pane, and at that point, maybe switch to other gear-swapping mods that can be "bothered" to support FuBar.

As you strenuously pointed out this isn't an inconvenience to you either, you don't get paid, after all. Then again, it's not my intention to provide you with inconvenience- it's my intention to provide myself with convenience (why mod your interface if it's not to make it easier to operate?). Nothing more.

So if none of this makes a bit of difference to you, what's with the attitude?
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Long time reader, first time poster here.

Originally posted by SkunkWerks
So if none of this makes a bit of difference to you, what's with the attitude?
The attitude started with your original post:

Originally posted by SkunkWerks
So um... what happened to native FuBar Support? Had it in the last version, and then it went away seemingly in this one.

:/
Here's your original post, fixed up to be a polite question:

Originally posted by SkunkWerks
I noticed that native FuBar support was removed. Was this intentional?
This version removes the snarky "So um... " and the annoyed ":/" emote, which suggest the author did something wrong. It retains the original message, which is that you fail at reading the patch notes of the release causing your issue.

Both of you can move on now.
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Originally posted by Agnostor
The attitude started with your original post:

Originally posted by SkunkWerks
So um... what happened to native FuBar Support? Had it in the last version, and then it went away seemingly in this one.

:/
I should win an academy award for that attitude. Best attitude I've ever seen, like, anywhere.*


*The above is an attitude, boys and girls.+

+the above is definately an attitude.


Originally posted by Agnostor
Here's your original post, fixed up to be a polite question:

Originally posted by SkunkWerks
I noticed that native FuBar support was removed. Was this intentional?
No, I think that actually sounds "snarkier". Here's why:

This version removes the snarky "So um... " and the annoyed ":/" emote, which suggest the author did something wrong.
While adding "was this intentional?" which implies that the author intentionally did something wrong. Pure genius.

But then what am I to expect from a topsy-turvy world where up is down and down is up?


I've got a better plan: how about we stop splitting hairs? Cause I could do this all day. Moreover, I'm better at it.
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Ok, so fair enough on the removal of native FuBar support.

However, if I do want to use LDB in order to provide access via Fubar, how would I go about that? Is it as simple as just installing LDB or is there something else I need to install/configure? I read the LDB stuff and even as an addon author (admittedly, I haven't written anything complex), it went over my head.
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Originally posted by dfscott
Ok, so fair enough on the removal of native FuBar support.

However, if I do want to use LDB in order to provide access via Fubar, how would I go about that? Is it as simple as just installing LDB or is there something else I need to install/configure? I read the LDB stuff and even as an addon author (admittedly, I haven't written anything complex), it went over my head.
I'd really recommend continuing to use the OutfitterFu plugin as that will probably give you the best user experience -- it has the collapsible categories and a look that is more consistent with FuBar and the options for it are done in the normal "FuBar style".

As for using LDB, there's a plugin called, I think, FuBar2LDB. That acts as a FuBar plugin which makes LDB data sources available to FuBar. I have never used it, but since many people (on the Curse page for Outfitter mostly) have said they're used to using it I assume it isn't too complicated.

Ideally FuBar and Titan would be updated to act as an LDB host so that no adapter is needed, but as an author I'm sure you'll agree that the list of things we wish to get done and the actual stuff we have time to get done are sometimes incompatible

In any case, the APIs in Outfitter are still there so OutfitterFu will continue to work as it has been. Someday I'll remove the older APIs, but hopefully OutfitterFu will simply update to use the newer ones instead and everything will be continue working. Those newer APIs have been in place since Outfitter 4.0 so when the author gets time he should be able to do it pretty easily.

EDIT: You may also want to try Fortress. It's a native LDB host and works pretty well in my limited testing with it. Unlike Titan and FuBar, the buttons are separate but can be snapped together vertically or horizontally or just off by themselves. I'm not endorsing it particularly, I really don't use any of the three, but it is another choice.
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Form Funniness

I'm not sure if I've found a bug or just run into some limitation of functionality.
I'm a druid, and I naturally have a set of gear for dps and a set of gear for tanking. About the only thing that is common between these two sets is the tabard that I'm wearing. But when I change out of a form I want that gear to remain on me. So in other words when I shift to bear form, I want my tanking gear to be swapped in, but when I shift back to normal/caster form, I want that gear to remain on me. Similarly, I'd like that to happen with cat form as well, so when I shift to cat form, my dps gear is swapped in, and when I go back to caster form I want that gear to remain on me.

I thought that I had gotten this to work, what I did was remove all the check marks for all the items (except the tabard) from the Normal and Druid: Caster Form outfits. I tested it and it was working as expected, however later (perhaps after a reload) it stopped working. Now when I unshift I get my Bear Form gear. I've tried blowing away my preferences several times and when I do that and start from scratch is when I get the behavior I'm looking for.

Any thoughts? If you need some more detailed/technical info let me know I'd be happy to supply it.
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Re: Form Funniness

This is caused by Outfitter's need to have a Complete outfit equipped at all times. When you shift out of form it unequips the outfit of course, but if it's a Complete outfit then Outfitter has to also find another Complete outfit to wear instead. What it will find is the most recent complete you were wearing before that one, which is probably the cat outfit (if you were in bear) or vice-versa. Changing the outfits to accessories by removing the shirt or tabard from them often clears this sort of problem up.

Alternatively, if you prefer them to be complete then modify the scripts slightly and remove the NOT_BEAR_FORM and NOT_CAT_FORM events from those two so that they never unequip when leaving the form. Since they're Complete outfits they'll still unequip once you enter a form that does have a Complete set of gear assigned, but otherwise they'll stay equipped.

Originally posted by celebros
I'm not sure if I've found a bug or just run into some limitation of functionality.
I'm a druid, and I naturally have a set of gear for dps and a set of gear for tanking. About the only thing that is common between these two sets is the tabard that I'm wearing. But when I change out of a form I want that gear to remain on me. So in other words when I shift to bear form, I want my tanking gear to be swapped in, but when I shift back to normal/caster form, I want that gear to remain on me. Similarly, I'd like that to happen with cat form as well, so when I shift to cat form, my dps gear is swapped in, and when I go back to caster form I want that gear to remain on me.

I thought that I had gotten this to work, what I did was remove all the check marks for all the items (except the tabard) from the Normal and Druid: Caster Form outfits. I tested it and it was working as expected, however later (perhaps after a reload) it stopped working. Now when I unshift I get my Bear Form gear. I've tried blowing away my preferences several times and when I do that and start from scratch is when I get the behavior I'm looking for.

Any thoughts? If you need some more detailed/technical info let me know I'd be happy to supply it.
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Any way to make the Outfit bar act more like the ItemRack bar does? That is, being able to choose which items to show there? Also, any chance for Buttonfacade support?
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Each Outfit has an option for "Show in Outfit Bar" so you can show or hide any you want.

I'm not into re-skinning my UI so it's unlikely I'll be adding special support for it unless it's really simple and doesn't require me to embed a bunch of Ace or other libraries to support it. You can right-click on the drag handles for the bar and turn off the background btw, which might make it blend in better with your customized look.

Originally posted by Toran
Any way to make the Outfit bar act more like the ItemRack bar does? That is, being able to choose which items to show there? Also, any chance for Buttonfacade support?
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Thanks - appreciate your response. For the bar, I just want to add my two weapons, feet, and two trinkets - not necessarily outfits. Seems that these type of features is not what your bar is meant for.
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