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Outfitter  Popular! (More than 5000 hits)

Version: 5.20.3
by: mundocani [More]

About Outfitter

Outfitter is an equipment management addon which gives you fast access to multiple outfits to optimize your abilities in PvE and PvP, automated equip and unequip for convenience doing a variety of activities, or to enhance role-playing.

Outfitter includes an icon bar for fast access to your outfits, a minimap menu for fast compact access, support for LibDataBroker, scripting with a library of pre-made scripts for most common tasks, outfits optimized for a particular stat, item comparisons across outfits, quick access to items via the character sheet, and more.

Version 5.20.3 changes

* FIXED: Prevented more custom events from being registered with the system

Version 5.20.2 changes

* FIXED: Storing outfits on the server no longer gives an error

Version 5.20.1 changes

* FIXED: Outfitter's custom event types should longer give errors about being unknown

Version 5.20 changes

* FEATURE: Updated for patch 8.0
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Unread 03-21-09, 12:57 PM  
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Originally posted by Vytae
not saying I have a right to it at all.. as there are other addons out there that do the job. Its a matter of preference. I liked this one over the others.
Well as you don't have a right to force Mundocani to continue to develop it, your "preference" is effectively irrelevant to the argument. He can choose to develop it or not.

More's the pity. But them's the cold hard facts of life.

You don't go to a stranger and say "Here's a sweater I made enjoy it as long as you like" and then come back and say "sorry the material company I used to make the sweater says I can't have a label in it so I am taking it back, but first here's a sleeveless one. If you want one with sleeves again please send me a postcard and I will send it to your address."
This is how the presumption to having a right to free unfettered access to an item can creep up.
Look man, I can be one cantankerous essohbee when I get going. I full well admit I was royally tanked at what I saw happen when I downloaded the thing this morning- much as I'm sure Mundocani is royally tanked about this change in policy, even if I don't really think his outrage has foundation, honestly, I can respect his right to feel as he does.

He's offered to fix whatever hurt he caused in carelessness. If you're not willing to accept that olive branch, it's your prerogative of course, but it's your choice.

Don't go on blaming him for it.
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Originally posted by Aesir
This statement highlights an old issue, not just within WoW, that comes up periodically.

The issue is that you (collectively, the end-user) presume that you have the right to a working copy of a given addon.

You should not make that presumption, because you do not have that right. If you disagree, please explain your view, because you may have a point I've not considered.

Note that I'm not suggesting you shouldn't be upset or disappointed in some way. But that isn't the same as saying you somehow automatically have the right to unfettered access to this or another addon.

not saying I have a right to it at all.. as there are other addons out there that do the job. Its a matter of preference. I liked this one over the others. Now that it is gone, yep I'm unhappy and I have voiced my disapproval of the way it was handled. As well as giving an alternative to a supposed 1 way solution which was pretty much ignored with a "canceling my account won't matter but if I can take away something a lot of people like they can help me show my disapproval of the policy change." Hell even Quest helper's author is trying to get people to let blizzard give him an exception to the rule.. wtf??

You don't go to a stranger and say "Here's a sweater I made enjoy it as long as you like" and then come back and say "sorry the material company I used to make the sweater says I can't have a label in it so I am taking it back, but first here's a sleeveless one. If you want one with sleeves again please send me a postcard and I will send it to your address."
This is how the presumption to having a right to free unfettered access to an item can creep up.
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Then you proceeded to not pay attention to a single thing he said and acted like he was the worst person on earth even though he said he would help those who got the bogus outfitter and send them another(new 4.5 version by the way).

Then you proceed to tell him that the donations that he doesn't ask for are still allowed. In his original "outfitter description" it said "these do not affect me".

You mite want to read before going off with your torch and pitchfork.
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Originally posted by mundocani
One person canceling one account will not even put a ripple on Blizzard's pond.
while that may be true.. you hurting the ones who enjoyed your addon is justified? It helps you sleep better now? you did this for enjoyment and if there was an ulterior motive then tough cookies.. now because you can't do what you wanted to do, you are going to take those who liked your addon down with you.. way to go.. top notch.. I enjoyed it yes but I won't have my enjoyment held hostage by someone who wants me to email them to get the addon back that I liked, that they screwed up in a fit of anger..
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Originally posted by Vytae
this is a form of denying you a working copy..
This statement highlights an old issue, not just within WoW, that comes up periodically.

The issue is that you (collectively, the end-user) presume that you have the right to a working copy of a given addon.

You should not make that presumption, because you do not have that right. If you disagree, please explain your view, because you may have a point I've not considered.

Note that I'm not suggesting you shouldn't be upset or disappointed in some way. But that isn't the same as saying you somehow automatically have the right to unfettered access to this or another addon.
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Originally posted by Vytae
well actually he is.. as on his site

this is a form of denying you a working copy..
Not remotely, since he'll provide it by e-mail for the people who lost their already existing and working copies as a result of this morning's "slip-up". What he won't do is continue to develop it. And honestly, that is his prerogative.

He isn't obligated to write Outfitter in any sense of the word. He created it because he enjoyed doing it. Guess what? He doesn't anymore.

Originally posted by Vellesta
I don't see how mundocani is in the wrong here.
You weren't here when a bunch of people downloaded a bogus version of the Addon Mundocani uploaded without warning as to what it was or what it would do, then.

Since the warning is there now, and Mundocani is offering to help those who got screwed over fix it, that slight is presently ammended.

Originally posted by mundocani
One person canceling one account will not even put a ripple on Blizzard's pond.
Maybe so. But if it is a principle thing, then it's a start. And in any case, by continuing to subscribe, you are, in effect, supporting their product and policy. Not really my business, I'm not you, but if we're talking principle and aesthetics, then yeah, the way to vote is with your feet.
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not true... you could finalize the addon and hang up your game account.. the action of taking money away from them also speaks since when you cancel your account you get a nice little text box to tell them why you are leaving.
One person canceling one account will not even put a ripple on Blizzard's pond.
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Originally posted by Colonel Snacks
Wow, talk about taking the ball and going home. I'll make sure the Waaaahmbulance keep on eye on you 24/7, as you obviously can't handle a new policy that doesn't affect you.
And you can't handle someone standing up for what they believe in because it'll inconvenience you and your ability to get free software. QQ.
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Wow, talk about taking the ball and going home. I'll make sure the Waaaahmbulance keep on eye on you 24/7, as you obviously can't handle a new policy that doesn't affect you.
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Outfitter has been one of a few addons that I feel are a necessity for me due to a lack of forethought (or innovation) on Blizzards part. mundocani and other addon authors saw an opportunity to make this aspect of the game better and of course they get no thanks from Blizzard at all. In fact, years later Blizz just takes the idea and incorporates it into their default UI. I think that's something important to keep in mind.

That being said, I don't see how mundocani is in the wrong here. He doesn't *owe* it to any of us to provide this addon. Some people complaining here sound like spoiled children. :\

Thanks for all the time you've put into this addon, mundocani. I guess I'll have to make due with the in game gear manager next patch, although I had been planning to stick with your far superior product. :P
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Originally posted by SkunkWerks
Maybe, but he's not denying you a working copy either. If he really wanted to screw you over, he would.
well actually he is.. as on his site
I will no longer be making my addons publicly available
this is a form of denying you a working copy..
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Originally posted by Vytae
well I don't see any rectification of the issue.. only 530b download with nothing new pending.. besides i shouldn't have to go email and ask(read: beg) for a new copy.
Maybe, but he's not denying you a working copy either. If he really wanted to screw you over, he would.
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Originally posted by SkunkWerks
To be fair, it seems as though Mundocani "slipped up" in how he initially handled the matter.

Honestly I'm not quite sure why he couldn't have just uploaded a ZIP containing a valid .toc and .lua file that wouldn't have skunked a working copy when updated but wouldn't have constituted a fully working copy on it's own either- but I'm willing to chalk that up to "not thinking clearly".

Anyhow he has since rectified the slight, for the most part. So I can't say he's "hurting" the users in any way at present.
well I don't see any rectification of the issue.. only 530b download with nothing new pending.. besides i shouldn't have to go email and ask(read: beg) for a new copy.
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Originally posted by Vytae
Why hurt those that used your addon when instead you can show disapproval in a more suitable way and "leave" on a good note.
To be fair, it seems as though Mundocani "slipped up" in how he initially handled the matter.

Honestly I'm not quite sure why he couldn't have just uploaded a ZIP containing a valid .toc and .lua file that wouldn't have skunked a working copy when updated but wouldn't have constituted a fully working copy on it's own either- but I'm willing to chalk that up to "not thinking clearly".

Anyhow he has since rectified the slight, for the most part- even going as far as to e-mail affected users the last working copy. So I can't say he's "hurting" the users in any way at present.
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Originally posted by mundocani
This is the only power I have to express my dissatisfaction with Blizzard. Activision is run by a business man, someone who admits he doesn't even play video games. Actions speak far louder than words in business, and perhaps my feeble little attempt at being heard will fall on deaf ears, or maybe enough other Whos from Whoville will add to the chorus and Blizzard will recgonize that "we're here".
not true... you could finalize the addon and hang up your game account.. the action of taking money away from them also speaks since when you cancel your account you get a nice little text box to tell them why you are leaving. Share your grievances there. Why hurt those that used your addon when instead you can show disapproval in a more suitable way and "leave" on a good note.

So as you can see there is more than the solution you currently "see" as your only option. Unless of course you have no intention to leave the game and just want to screw the users of your addon out of spite for what blizzard has done to the game they own.
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