New computer for Cataclysm

Haleth · 10-02-10, 08:51 AM

Hi all.

I'm looking to buy a new computer for Cataclysm. I love my iMac, but for graphics it just doesn't do the job. The bad graphics card (ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT) and the fact that Windows still has better gaming performance over Mac - not to mention that a good Windows is way cheaper than a good Mac - made me decide that.

I'm clueless about computer hardware though. Where does one buy a good computer, cheap? I hear about people using $800 computers and getting amazing gaming performance. Do they assemble the parts by themselves or is there simply a good brand for gaming?

I'd like to play Cataclysm on Ultra - this means liquid detail, shadows, sunshafts etc all maxed out.

I don't have a specific budget in mind but the cheaper, the better of course (provided there is still quality).

Does anyone have any recommendations about specs, or where I should buy one?

I live in Belgium if that's of any help.

Coote · 10-02-10, 04:57 PM

MaximumPC did a few gaming builds recently that should be able to kick Cataclysm's rear end.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/fea..._gaming_pc_647
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/fea...g_pc_step_step

Obviously, the prices for everything is in USD, since it's an American magazine, but the cost difference shouldn't be a whole lot different from what an old friend used to tell me (he's also from Belgium =P).

Haleth · 10-02-10, 05:12 PM

Thanks for the two links, they're very helpful.

There's a huge difference in price between the two though. Are you sure the cheaper one can handle Cataclysm on Ultra? Currently it doesn't take that much to handle WoW but with Liquid detail and Sunshafts those requirements are a lot higher.

Coote · 10-02-10, 05:22 PM

I'm not sure if the cheaper one can handle it at full Ultra settings, since the processor is a bit anemic. If you were to, say, drop the AMD CPU/Mobo, and pick up, say, the cheapest I7 on the 1366 socket, and one of the more inexpensive boards for it, while using an HD5770 (or GTS450 if you prefer Nvidia, same price and performance pretty much), you should be able to max the game out, and play at higher than Ultra settings.

With the cheaper one, if you're willing to sacrifice a few things, such as completely disabling shadows, and maybe a few other little tricks, it should be fine with the rest on Ultra without much of a difference in eye candy. Personally, I prefer shadows completely disabled, since they're fairly ugly, but that's just me.

Haleth · 10-02-10, 05:38 PM

Hmm, I see. I can live with anti aliasing on minimum (turning it any higher ruins the 1-pixel border in my UI anyways) but I quite like shadows, though I guess they don't have to be on ultra per se.

Thanks for the advice so far.

Shannara80 · 10-02-10, 06:11 PM

If you are looking to build a computer on the cheap side of things, and you already have a monitor (I know you said you have a mac, but monitors are very cheap now so you can get one from pretty much anywhere) this is what I would suggest (mind you this doesn't come with any case fans so you will have to tac on about ~20 bucks extra for those):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.500536 181.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146059 39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227582 75.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130572 129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153106 119.99

Now the thing that TMcMahon51 said about the cheap comp from the link, is true, that that AMD processor is pretty anemic, but you have to be very careful about the i7 in the 1366 socket form, as they can get much more expensive than a comparable AMD processor. As far as performance they are about the same, but the intel chips are much more compatible software wise (drivers and such with windows). Just thought that I would put my 2 coppers in on this.

brotherhobbes · 10-02-10, 08:13 PM

If you're going to build your own, I find that techreport.com often has good information. Their system guide breaks down the cost of multiple types of computers.

The one they put out one on Sep 7th -> http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/19560
prices range from $540 to over 3 grand (not including keyboard, mouse, monitor, and software).

It's worthwhile to just look it over to get a general idea about things.

Led ++ · 10-03-10, 05:05 AM

I live in Belgium if that's of any help.

You do?

Haleth · 10-03-10, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by ricks322

I would spend a few extra bucks and get a bigger power supply. That way when you want to expand you will not have any problems. The last thing you want is to push your ps to the limit. If the voltage drops that is when you start having problems with Harddrives and such.

That looks like a great case, I would go and put some more fans in it now, easier to do at the start than later. Fans are so cheap, (skip the lights) and really make a difference on keeping things cool. If you get the heat out of the case it makes up for other heat sinks and such. A fan on the top really helps, and most cases that have a bottom mount ps have a space for one, (like yours).

I just finished putting my new system together, still moving/setting up the software, (takes forever).

Good luck on the new system...

You might want to watch, Staples, OfficeMax, and OfficeDepot for a display. They have clearences and good deals sometimes. I just got an Acer 23" DVI/VGA 1980x1020 for $149.

Right I'll consider that but I'm not sure if I'll really need it, the power supply seems to handle everything fine judging from reviews. An extra fan shouldn't cost too much.

Originally Posted by Led ++

You do?

Yup.

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Right so I went looking for prices and I ended at about € 705 (no display and keyboard), assuming UK->Belgium shipping costs are about € 40 (buying from Overclockers).

However, I came across this:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=FS-210-OK

This with the Radeon HD 5770, I'm guessing it's about € 10 cheaper than what I ended up with now (not that € 10 matters), but it's very similar in performance and it's pre-built so I won't run into any troubles with actually assembling it.

What do you think?

Motig · 10-03-10, 07:26 AM

Instead of ordering from the UK try getting your parts from www.tweakers.net/pricewatch. That may be alot cheaper!

Haleth · 10-03-10, 08:42 AM

http://tweakers.net/gallery/378175?i...tab:inventaris

With a keyboard and display that boils down to about €975. Though I could go for a cheaper keyboard ofc.

Led ++ · 10-03-10, 09:04 AM

Hehe, I'm from belgium too.

MoonWitch · 10-04-10, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Haleth

Hi all.
I live in Belgium if that's of any help.

I live in Belgium too, while I can't recommend specs to you, I suggest you buy the parts from Holland. It will save you at least 30%