Bartender4 

4. There's an Ulduar fight that works like Keristrasza as well. :-p

To turn off addons is trivial information, and you can still not prove if BT4 or WoW creates the possess bar used for vehicles. You need to go into BT4 code and look where it gets that from.

BT4 does not behave like default UI, not even with the default vehicle bar enabled in BT4. This is due to BT4 not disabling bar1 (and other bars) keybindings while you are inside the vehicle. The default UI does this.

Also I have shown the default vehicle bar about 3 times now, should be more than enough.


OK, then show me, if I have bar1 switching to vehicle bar (possess), how do I have separate (other) key bindings for bar1 and for the possess bar it switches to? Show me also, how some of these may overlap.
As an example setup. Bar1 keybound to: 1-= and the possess bar bound to 1-4, F5-F12?

Wrong. You're trying to prove behavior is different in BT4 vs. default UI. How can you do that without showing the default UI?

If BT4 is turned off, let's see what your DEFAULT UI gives you for a vehicle button. That will prove something.

Default UI doesn't keybind to spells that aren't on action bars.

You won't find it, cuz it's not there. Nothing in the BT4 code is introducing new buttons for vehicles, except its own separate vehicle bar.

The only screenshots I've seen you post didn't have the default UI.

I run BT4. I have Bar 1 set to keybind to the numeric keypad.. so my spells are Num- 7 8 9 4 5 6 1 2 3 0 . +.

I have Bar 1 set to be my posess bar.

When I get in a vehicle, the buttons I use to activate vehicle abilities are Num- 7 8 9 4 5 6 1 2 3 0 . +.

+ is exit vehicle, being the 12th button.

Maybe your keybinds are not what they think they are.. maybe some other addon, not Bartender, is introducing behaviors you don't expect.. I have no idea. I can see you're running something else besides Bartender that interacts with your action bars, because Bartender doesn't put in those custom graphics. You're going to have to start eliminating possibilities.. and the best place to start is to strip down to the default UI, no addons, default keybinds, and see what it's really doing.

What addon is that?

It's certainly not the default UI.


That big curvey arrow thing is probably what's bound to your num-5. Blizzard didn't put it there. It looks like BT4's Exit Vehicle Button, but that's generally accompanied by the Up/Down aim buttons as well. If you're saying you're not running BT4 in his picture, then something else is changing your action bars, and you're attributing that addon's behavior as the "Default UI".

It is not? If you don't know how the default vehicle bar looks like why are you even replying to the comment? That IS the default vehicle bar. Here's another one for you from Gamespots review of WotLK guaranteed addon free.

No kidding ... thats what I have been saying for days. The thing to note here is that it is NOT BOUND to whatever button 12 on bar1 is bound to.
This is default behavior.

Also what I already said.
This it is not default behavior.

Yes they did.

That is a random screenshot from the web, not mine. It is default UI as far as visible bar addons are concerned.

Wrong. I said your INFORMATION is trivial meaning self evident, common sense, something anyone who uses addons knows.
Please read what I wrote before, I have done this and I reported the behavior in both cases, with and without any addons.

I never claimed this, why do you even bring this up?

Yes and where are the separate/different/other keybindings between the possess bar and bar1? They are all the same ... I asked for the possibility not to have them same. Why do you mention this? This is also self evident. The possess bar always get the same bindings as the bar that is switching to possess mode. I wanted different. That was the whole point of my comment.

No it doesn't, and no you couldn't show it.

This is default UI, aside from the window from some quest tracker and one other titpled with the boss name.
Apparently, Blizzard doing some sneaky magic with keybindings when you entering posession mode. I just don't have enough knowledge and tools to detect it.
I can point to the one daily that involve vehicle, so you can test it yourself.
It's Thrusting Hodir's Spear, the Sons of Hodir Honored daily.

"Made up" - means "made something that were not exist". Which is not the case and I wasn't mean that.
Please don't put your dirty meanings in my mouth.

Do not prove anything. Sadly I can't track keybinding changes, but to me Blizzard doing sneaky shuffle around with them when you entering posessed state.

You made that assumption out of nowhere. It's certainly possible to access this button if it's exist. I just don't have enough knowledge to provide a testing case.

Since I don't have achievement for Ulduar raid, I can't participate in the Ulduar raids... (It's only me seeing a logical loop in this phrase?)

Your meaning of the phrase is not among these, so how is one supposed to understand what you write when you make up your own meaning?
These does not explicitly imply any existence. Besides "that were not exist" is not even grammatically correct.

Lastly, what ever dirty things are put into your mouth, I did not put them there, and frankly would like to have nothing to do with them.


Yes. Although it doesn't seem so sneaky, I think it is only turning of all bar keybindings except 1-6.

No I did not, it is a simple fact of how empirical knowledge is gained. First of all, the existence is not in question here, can you not see the button? Do you doubt that the sun exist even though you see it?

The question is wheter WoW or BT4 is creating the button.
The only way to show this in game (unless I missed something and someone comes up with something else, in which case I will of course admit them being right and me wrong) is to have another addon or command independently (of BT4) show the button. Then one must prove that this is indeed the same button as BT4 is showing (I don't know how to prove this ingame). If the button where shown independently it must be created by WoW. If one proves this to be impossible, that is; no command or addon ever made (not equal to BT4 in that part of the code of course) can show this button independenly of BT4, (I don't see how to do this either ingame) then BT4 is creating the button.

However if you go outside the game you can simply check the BT4 code. Does it create the lua code for the button or does it simply use blizzards code (not copy paste of course, but some call of it).

No further replies on my comments are required. I was successful in making WoW not preform any ability on bar buttons with keybindings, when pressing the corresponding button and in a vehicle.

This of course with the exception of button 1-6 which are the original vehicle buttons and should be preformed when pressed and in a vehicle.

No other addon or keybindings where necessary and it works automatically when entering/leaving a vehicle.

That would be a good test. And there are tons of action bar mods.

I read the code after my last post yesterday. BT4 is not introducing a new button. The button is always there on the bar, but Blizz is hiding it from you.

Maybe. But it would probably be hard to formally prove that the button that other addon shows is the same. However the information (gained outside wow) you provide makes this unnecessary:

That is what I expected, thank you very much for checking! This means that if you use the possess bar there is no way to get rid of the "leave vehicle" button without BT4 start making own bars (which I don't think it will or should).

In theory, you could make a new bar in BT that only shows when you're in a vehicle (this one, and no others, are set as the possess bar), only shows 6 buttons, and only keybinds those 6 buttons. So long as you're not playing a bar-happy class (like Druid, which uses all 10 bars normally), you should have a free bar to do this with.

Having a weird problem with paging.

I have Bar #2 set to page to #3 when I hold Alt. On Bar #3, I have several abilities hotkeyed. These hotkeys do not work when I log in. If I go into options and enable and disable (and do nothing else) Bar #3, the hotkeys will work again.

So basically, I have to check and uncheck "Enable" for Bar #3 before those hotkeys will work.

Hi!
If I understand you and BT4 correctly, I think you need to have the bar enabled all time, if you want to be able to keybind it. So if I where you, I would enable bar 3 and then hide it.
Hope this helps.