LightHeaded 

None in particular. Normally Tuesdays when there's lots of stuff going on, although it doesn't hurt to put in a polite poke as you've done =) Although WowHead is undergoing maintenance, so it won't be right now =)

Here is my position (copied from page 2 or 3 of comments, so you don't have to go back and look for it). In short, no. I do not believe the attribution in LightHeaded constitutes an advertisement.

I would like to clarify my position on the inclusion of the WowHead logo on the main Lightheaded window, and my requirement that any addon using my API include the same attribution. The only reason this addon exists is due to the comments that are posted on WowHead. As a courtesy to them, I state this as such in a single place.

It really comes down to what constitutes an "advertisement". Let's examine a few different definitions of the word:
a paid announcement, as of goods for sale, in newspapers or magazines, on radio or television, etc.
a public notice, esp. in print.
the action of making generally known; a calling to the attention of the public: The news of this event will receive wide advertisement.

The first does not apply.. I am receiving no compensation from WowHead, and they are not receiving anything from someone who decides to after seeing the logo, google "WowHead" to see what it is.

The second does not apply because this is not a public notice, it's an attribution of the source of the data for the addon.

The third does not call attention to anything in any way, it again just provides information about the source of the data in the addon.

Admittedly this falls into part of the grey area in the UI policy, but it is completely your opinion that I am in violation. It is my opinion, after considering the policy as a whole that I am not in violation of the policy. You are welcome to submit your complaint to Blizzard and I will comply with their decision if they decide to contact me.

However, I do not anticipate that being the case.

You need to install an addon that provides quest levels. LightHeaded does not do this. There are a number of addons that provide this, Quelevel being one of them.

There is a readme.txt file included in my addon. It indicates how the addon should be installed. Please follow those directions and report back.

I'm glad that you find the addon useful and I respect and understand the position of you and the rest of my users. I will continue to make my addon available at WowInterface, which makes it incredibly easy to be notified of new versions.

Then there's not much left to discuss. I consider the fact that they strip the ads from the other sites (by not having written in a way to display them) and putting their own ads in their place a morally reprehensible act. I wish that weren't the case, but it is.

I agree here, but I take it a step further. I think there would be complete and utter outrage if AdBlocker inserted their own ads, while blocking those of the actual websites. That is the equivalent here, and where I'm coming from.

This is not true, because every time the application is opened the client visits every single page to get the version and check if there is an update. I am aware of the way the client works, and it causes enormous issues. Because it's so "easy" the users use the client often, and as a result it ends up POUNDING the servers. I'm sorry, but this just isn't the case.

They had no onus (nor requirement!) to go to any site whatsoever to reprint site ads. They have no obligation to do this. Bear in mind NO automated addon download tool does this, even the Curse's own tool (and WoWI doesn't have one yet; I DO look forward to that day). While this is absolutely a *good* reason for Wowinterface and Curse to block Wowmatrix, there is no moral reprehensibility for this action.

I retain the copyright to my addons. This allows me the right to determine when and where my addon is distributed. I choose WowInterface.com because of the way they operate and the good they have done for the community. I believe that the ads on WowInterface are unobtrusive and they allow the site to gain a bit of money for hosting my addons for free.

When WowMatrix does what it does, it bypasses all of this. Beyond that, it displays its own ads. I find that to be a problem, along with any other updater (none of which work any more) that does the same thing. It's my right, it's my choice and that is being bypassed.

(acknowledgement of previous arguments) I have seen lots of other folks claim that many users use web browsers with ad blockers that would seem to invalidate the argument, it nevertheless remains that there is no *way* to show ads in Wowmatrix, and that is a good enough reason for WoWI and Curse to want to block wowmatrix.

WowMatrix DOES display ads! Absolutely, 100%. It displays ads. It displays its own ads. This is my problem. They take away WowI's and display their own.

Thank you- I had been looking for that. Note this is *after* Wowmatrix was accused of costing sites bandwidth. While it may have been the wrong move to make, it was certainly an understandable one for them TO make. Sending a DMCA cease request is the correct way to inform someone to stop. Had they not stopped, then there would be fault to be found.

There has always been fault to be found. You obviously have not read the direct numbers from curse.com about how much of an impact the sites have as a result of wowmatrix and the parasitic way that it handles updates. It hurts the sites that we rely on. Period. This is fact, you cannot get around it because the numbers show it quite clearly.

This is FUD. While technical errors are aggravating, this is unremarkable. They were not hosting an out of date version of ARL- they were posting an automated link to a version that was out of date, and this is due to misconfiguration on the HOSTING end, which also got resolved very quickly. There are two ways you could be talking about how they list your addons: either the list of addons a user has installed (which is FUD) or the master list of addons which shows which addons they could install, which goes (went) to WoWI to collect them. As a user of your addons Lightheaded and TomTom, which I used to have to manually update (and have to again), I have never been poorly served by how WoWmatrix installed your addons. You may have felt aggrieved that you had to support someone who HAD run into difficulties, but you have no obligation to do this, and WoWmatrix is extrremely unlikely to have been adding to your support burden as the automated installer prevents a lot of manual mistakes.

Fine, that was one example. How about them continuing to host the last GPL'd version of Cartographer? They claim it's the latest, when it's not the case. Fine, I'll accept that you believe this is FUD, but then again you're not an author actually sitting here trying to support people.

They always claim to have the latest because "They update with WowMatrix every day". I find this out after four or five messages telling them to update the addon to fix a bug from weeks ago. Granted, it only happened after the block.. but it's still real.

It continues to happen with Cartographer.

Now as I say this, I acknowledge that I am not you and you may have had a greater support burden than I have stated here. If so, I am sorry. Regardless, while this may be a reason for you, personally, to take issue with WoWmatrix (or even on behalf of others), it is again not a reason for moral outrage. It's a technical error at worst, and ALL applications have them.

There is no moral outrage. I posted my reasons for not hosting my addons at wowmatrix. I believe I am completely within my right to do that (which you acknowledge), but I also believe I am justified in doing so. You can disagree, but that doesn't take the factual basis out of my arguments.

A fair reason for you to want to remove your addon. They were under no obligation to remove your addon from a list of addons they supported automation for, just as you are under no obligation to allow them to do so. This is FUD, regardless of its factual nature, however, as there is no wrongdoing here.

That is a matter of opinion. They essentially strip WOWIs ads and display their own. Were this not the case, I'd not have as much of a problem.

The last fact I acknowledged previously, as the current verbiage of choice is no longer that they were stealing bandwidth, but that they are utilizing bandwidth in violation of terms of usage. Since there are no terms of usage posted on the site before allowing access to the site, this could be debated, but really, it doesn't matter if I DO debate it, as they have (again) every right to block access by anyone or anything for any reeason. My apologies- I just saw the last line about not wanting to get into a debate with me. You have withheld damaging commentary, but not your opinion (as I have not withheld mine). I disagree that the arguments presented are not FUD in some cases (as outlined), but it doesn't matter about my opinion. Your RIGHT to not host/allow access is definitely agreed upon. Should you wish to terminate this discussion now, I will not continue or browbeat you. Should you wish to post a final response to this one, I will read it respectfully (as I hope I have shown!) and decline to comment further except if you specifically request a response.

I'm willing to concede some points, but you remain uneducated about one major point. Wowmatrix displays ads. Period. the fact that they essentially strip the ads from Curse and WowInterface and display their own is a morally reprehensible act by my definition.