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Version: 2.2.14a
by: VgerAN [More]

Pawn helps you find upgrades for your gear and tell which of two items is better for your spec. Start with built-in advice from Ask Mr. Robot, or customize Pawn's stat weights to have it suggest items based on your favorite class guide or simulator. Pawn can help you decide whether it's better to use the cloak with 500 mastery or the one with 450 crit—whether you're just starting out, or you're an advanced player who plans out gear upgrades and regularly simulates and evaluates performance.

Language support

Pawn works with English, French, German, Italian, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish (European and Latin American), Simplified Chinese, and Traditional Chinese. Unlike most addons, Pawn's language has to match the language you play WoW in.

Staying in touch

For fastest assistance with Pawn, check the official thread at Curse. You can also become a fan of Vger on Facebook and get updates of new versions and stuff like that. You can also leave questions or comments there.

Getting started

If you're new to Pawn, don't worry—Pawn will automatically set itself up to give you advice based on math done by the experts at Ask Mr. Robot. Just watch for Pawn's green arrows. If you decide you want to go further, there are a lot of ways that you can customize Pawn, by tracking multiple specs at once, importing custom stat weights, and more.

Found a bug?

If you think you might have found a bug, just leave a comment here. In addition to a description of the problem, please make sure to include: (1) the language that you use Pawn and WoW in, (2) the specific items that don't work as expected, and (3) your class and spec if you're using the built-in (not custom) stat weights. Screenshots are usually very helpful as well.

Version 2.2.14

Pawn will now suggest blue-quality gems on heroic Tomb of Sargeras gear or better, and the epic-quality gems on heroic Antorus gear.
Translation updates for German courtesy of Salty from Curse.
(Version 2.2.14a) Translation updates for French courtesy of Kangourousse from Curse.

Version 2.2.13

More language updates for WoW patch 7.3. (If I do four of these updates I get a special cache full of epics.)

Version 2.2.12

Fixed a problem introduced by WoW patch 7.3 that caused Pawn to not work properly in the Spanish (Spain) version of WoW.
More updates for WoW patch 7.3.

Version 2.2.11

Updates for compatibility with WoW patch 7.3.

Version 2.2.10

Added a compatibility fix for AethysRotation and other addons that scan your artifacts while you're logging in.

Version 2.2.9

Stat weights for all classes and specs have been updated based on hotfixes, balance changes, and new simulations.
Pawn will now suggest blue-quality gems only on items that are higher than level 900.

Version 2.2.8

Added new guidance and stat weights for all classes and specs to account for changes in WoW patch 7.2.5. The new weights are optimized for Mythic Keystone dungeons a higher gear level (870) than in previous versions of Pawn, given how quickly one can gear up alts currently.
In addition, the new weights for Assassination Rogues now assume that you use Master Poisoner.
Fixed a problem in Korean WoW that was introduced in 2.2.7.
Additional changes to French support to improve performance for players in all languages.
Lots of translation updates for Portuguese courtesy of Pawn fan tiagopl. (No updates for other languages in this update.)

Version 2.2.7

Pawn is now compatible with the French version of WoW patch 7.2.5.

Version 2.2.6

Pawn will now wait to start suggesting relics for the third slot of your artifact until you've actually unlocked it. (I thought it would be helpful for collecting a relic before you finish the questline, but it's proven to be annoying and misleading in practice.)

Version 2.2.5

Made a change to try to improve integration with Bagnon.

Version 2.2.4

Fixed a bug in Pawn where for some low-level characters, Pawn wouldn't recognize that one of your artifact's relic slots was locked, and would suggest relics for that slot.

Version 2.2.3

English: Fixed a problem where the Survival Hunter artifact Talonclaw didn't ever show relic upgrades. (It's possible that this problem exists for other artifacts—it would occur any time that the artifact had a different name on the item tooltip versus the shift-right-click artifact pane.)

Version 2.2.2

Worked around a game bug where WoW was saying that BoE relics looted at level 110 and then passed to lower-level characters would get fewer ilvls from that relic than they actually would.
Some other addons simulate shift-right-clicking on your artifact at logon to get information about it. This caused Pawn to sometimes receive incorrect information about your artifact, which would cause it to overestimate how much of an item level upgrade a relic would be. Pawn will now detect when this is happening and ignore the bad information it received.
Russian: Includes translations for new relic features.

Version 2.2.1

Fixed a bug in Pawn 2.2 where items in a player's bags that required a higher player level and couldn't be equipped were still getting green arrows.
Pawn will no longer work with WoW 7.1.5.
English: Relics that give a single level increase will now say "+1 level" instead of "+1 levels".
Russian: Hopefully fixed some of the catastrophic problems that started occurring with patch 7.2.
Italian: Includes translations for new relic features.

Version 2.2

Includes fixes for compatibility with WoW patch 7.2.
Pawn will now highlight relics that are an item level upgrade to one or more of your artifacts. Note that this upgrade feature is completely separate from Pawn's existing upgrade features—it's based on item level increase, not stats, and your custom scales are not used in any way.
This feature won't work until after you shift-right-click your artifacts. You only have to do that once (for each artifact) after upgrading to Pawn 2.2.
This feature will work for all of your artifacts regardless of which spec you're in.
Top-tier players who want to min/max specific artifact traits rather than focusing purely on their artifact's item level may want to turn this feature off—see Pawn's Options tab to do so.
Pawn will now suggest the cheap 100-stat gems on more items.
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Unread 01-04-08, 07:08 AM  
arkindal
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hey

Nice addon, where can i find scale made by more experienced players than me?:P
i'd like to find some class based pvp and pve scales
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Howdy. You can check out the "sample scales" file that comes with Pawn (a better version comes with 0.7.3). Also, there's a forum with a lot of user-contributed scales here:

http://pawnmod.trenchrats.com/
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That could be interesting, would be to sample your current gear to determine the scale of what you are wearing if it was your ideal gear. For example, for a Leotheras demon phase tanking gear (as a warrior) you want to balance stamina and fire resist, but you only need so much FR to reach the cap, so the relative value of FR vs stamina changes:
stamina: 740
+hp: 150 (~= 13.63 stam with BoK)
stam total: 754 * 2/3 = 503
FR: 339 (reaches the cap with improved MotW)

so the current scale with those two stats is
stam: (503+339)/754 = 1.67
FR: (503+339)/339 = 2.48

With that scale, you can go through any stam heavy or FR heavy items to see if it serves the scale better, reevaluate the resist cap and the scale (post-optimisation process), and try other items.

Another current gear analysis with 3 stats could add the next highest stat in term of item budget (any rating or stat or resist is worth 1, mp5 is worth 2.5, etc).

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So what implementing this would imply (beside UI)?
-scan the current gear with item budget array
-merge similar stats (stam with +Health). Maybe more advanced merging would be included, agi/str to AP, or user defined, to account ratio changing buffs, like BoK (modify str/agi/ap/crit rating, and spell crit vs int to some extent)
-sort the stats
-define a scale with the top X (number supplied by the user) merged stats

That's it, that is the feature I am talking about. It would also be useful to discuss your current stat distribution with your current gear instead of talking about your ideally designed stats scale.

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I would like to know the feel of the developper about this. Any interest in developping this or letting me doing it in the mod or as a sister mod, or something else entirely.
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Thanks for the suggestion. After reading your post I'm not sure that I really have a good idea of what you're requesting, but it doesn't really sound like Pawn is what you want. One of the core design tenets of Pawn is that the value for a given item never changes if the scale doesn't change, regardless of what level you are, what class you are, or who's looking at it. It sounds like your idea makes the value of items change depending on what other items you have, or have equipped.
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The idea is to provide a tool to define scales quickly based on what you wear now. In that, it agrees with the design tenet that an item's value is only defined by the scale. The product of the tool is a scale, used like any scale defined by a user.


The stats merging part may be the cause of the confusion, but it is not the core of the idea. You could forget it altogether and the concept and the basic implementation would the same.


Conceptually, the idea is to generate a figerprint (or histogram or profile) of your gear that you can compare to other scales so see how much and in which way gear set are different. Every scale generated agrees completely with a gear setup, you compare two scales to see how they disagree, so in a way, you compare two gear setup.
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Okay, I think I have somewhat of a better picture of what you're asking for now. Most likely the next thing I'll be working on in Pawn is a way to have Pawn read through all of the gear that you're wearing and produce totals, so if you decide you want to write an add-on like this, that should make it easier.
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I really do like this mod, and constantly rely on the stats given and then make an educated choice. However, seeing as how PvP gear and PvE gear are designed for two different play styles, would it be prudent to have a Pawn value defined by the given PvP or PvE gear?

I guess what I'm trying to find out is, if I'm wearing gear that is PvE oriented and I'm checking out someone's Gladiator gear, the Pawn value is usually higher than what I'm wearing. This value may be askewed, however, in light that higher stamina may not be a suitable substitute for the loss of obviously PvE bonuses (which aren't on PvP gear, notably caster).

Am I making any sense here?
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Yeah. Sounds like you want a second scale. For example, as a shaman, in my PVP scale, I value stamina at 1.5, but in my PVE scale, I value it at .7 or .8 or so. Along the same lines, my PVE scale values MP5 at 3.75, but my PVP scale values it at 1. (I may increase that a bit as 11,000 mana doesn't last very long against a priest's drain, and it would be nice to have mana after the first minute of the battle. ) I also have a third "hybrid" scale for when I'm just soloing, and a fourth "elemental" scale for if I ever decide to respec. Pawn shows all four values on items I come across, so I can easily see that the weapon that just dropped would be an upgrade for PVP for not for PVE.

You can create a second scale by clicking the "New empty" or "New default" button. Or, if you want to use your current scale as a starting point, there's no Copy button (I'll add one someday), but you can achieve the same effect by exporting the scale, then renaming it, and then importing the scale tag. Then, when you set values for stats, just make sure that you've chosen the scale you want to work with first. If you give them different colors, it can be easier to tell them apart at a glance.

Hope that helps!
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Is there a scale for each class available, or would that have to be custom made from scratch? I'd be interested in finding a rating for each class.

Also, a "copy" feature would be very nice.
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For premade scales, check out the unofficial forums here:

http://pawnmod.trenchrats.com/

Also, for certain classes, check out the "sample scales" document that comes with Pawn. It seems to me that melee DPS classes are the luckiest; I know of a lot of common valuation systems, like various forms of AEP, and Emmerald's feral druid gear lists. I don't know of any commonly-accepted valuation systems for casters, so if you're a caster, the forums are probably your best bet, and you'll probably want to do some tweaking from there.

You'll probably find yourself wanting to tweak any scale you find; unlike Warsong Gulch (shudder), premade is not always the best. Pawn will hopefully make that (sort of) easy for you.
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Originally posted by VgerAN
For premade scales, check out the unofficial forums here:

http://pawnmod.trenchrats.com/
I will try out the Frost-PvE build listed on the site. I'm not mathematically inclined enough to try and sort out appropriate values myself but I do like that someone has a reasonable idea of what end-game raiding stats might be. I'll give this a shot.
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Pawn 1.0 is out!

Pawn 1.0 has been released! It's a worthwhile upgrade for anyone who uses Pawn, especially if you're on a version earlier than 0.9.
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[BUG] Sockets counting Twice

When calculating unenchanted values, pawn counts the gem sockets twice if there are gems socketed.

Ex:

[Belt of the Black Eagle] gives 20 Stamina, I have socketed it with a [Brutal Tanzanite] for another 6 Stamina. My STA scale also has 6 points for blue sockets.

Enchanted value: 26. Unenchanted value: 32.


I also reported this in the trenchrats forum.
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Re: [BUG] Sockets counting Twice

Hmm, I'm playing around with Pawn and I haven't been able to reproduce any bug. I believe that the behavior you're seeing below is the new expected behavior for Pawn 0.9 and 1.0. Pawn is determining that the socket bonus on that item isn't worthwhile enough to justify putting a yellow gem in the yellow socket, so it's "using" blue gems instead. (In this case, 2x blue > blue + yellow + 3 agility.) Previous versions of Pawn weren't smart enough to notice situations where it's better to socket gems "incorrectly."

Does that make sense?


Originally posted by obuw
When calculating unenchanted values, pawn counts the gem sockets twice if there are gems socketed.

Ex:

[Belt of the Black Eagle] gives 20 Stamina, I have socketed it with a [Brutal Tanzanite] for another 6 Stamina. My STA scale also has 6 points for blue sockets.

Enchanted value: 26. Unenchanted value: 32.


I also reported this in the trenchrats forum.
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Re: Re: [BUG] Sockets counting Twice

Originally posted by VgerAN
Hmm, I'm playing around with Pawn and I haven't been able to reproduce any bug. I believe that the behavior you're seeing below is the new expected behavior for Pawn 0.9 and 1.0. Pawn is determining that the socket bonus on that item isn't worthwhile enough to justify putting a yellow gem in the yellow socket, so it's "using" blue gems instead. (In this case, 2x blue > blue + yellow + 3 agility.) Previous versions of Pawn weren't smart enough to notice situations where it's better to socket gems "incorrectly."

Does that make sense?
Ah yes, now it makes sense.

Well, wonderful. Problem is I would never socket a blue gem in a yellow slot since I'm dps. So it's being too clever for my taste.

I guess I'll just stick with ratingbuster for stamina values.
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